Modernity has two powerful characteristics that constantly produce redundant people, who can’t be accommodated—the people that don’t fit. The first is the order-building characteristic: modernity is obsessively ordering a chaotic reality. Inevitably this produces conflicting loyalties, diasporas and migration, since there are redundant people, who don’t fit the image of order prescribed by modernity. The second characteristic is economic progress, which makes human labor less and less valuable, so that people lose their skills and personal capital and need to move elsewhere. The great sociologist Zygmunt Bauman talks to ResetDoc about Europe, migrations and modernity.